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[el bandido]

I try to tell people about these products and the limits they have, but it is usually too late.
Full Band Capture or FBC tuners are more for subscription services than anything else.
Vu+ does a poor job of describing their products. This is probably done so they do not have to support them. As an example, My Zero 4K has DVB-S2X, multistream, and blindscan capabilities, but does not have 22KHz tone control in the blindscan driver. This makes the Zero 4K blindscan useless for universal lnb. Vu+ does not care about fta. They now make only media and subscription receivers with no visible support for the user.

 

[Matrix10]

I try to tell people about these products and the limits they have, but it is usually too late.
Full Band Capture or FBC tuners are more for subscription services than anything else.
Vu+ does a poor job of describing their products. This is probably done so they do not have to support them. As an example, My Zero 4K has DVB-S2X, multistream, and blindscan capabilities, but does not have 22KHz tone control in the blindscan driver. This makes the Zero 4K blindscan useless for universal lnb. Vu+ does not care about fta. They now make only media and subscription receivers with no visible support for the user.

I'm sorry ,You told this to others but not to yourself.
I read, your posts on our forum and all are negative.
I do not know why you have bought all this receivers ????
which does not suit you.And you do not like it.
You have bought not just one receiver, but more of them.
Incredibly,for you " bad receivers " and you buy them all the time.

Of course, I agree with you that it would be good for the receivers to do more.
But spamming our forum is already annoying.

 

[Tururu]

@el bandido
Thanks for the information of the VU + Zero4K and the problems of the blind search.
Check the relationship of tp you find and when you see that it is correct, I never thought that when searching for channels, do not send the tone of 22khz to change bands.
If it is a joke (shit of good).
The problem of VU+zero 4K is real.

Without taking into account the problem of poor signal and quality measurement,
Comparing problematic and low signal channels for tests, almost like the FBC DVB-S2X.

 

[el bandido]

I'm sorry ,You told this to others but not to yourself.
I read, your posts on our forum and all are negative.
I do not know why you have bought all this receivers ????
which does not suit you.And you do not like it.
You have bought not just one receiver, but more of them.
Incredibly,for you " bad receivers " and you buy them all the time.

Of course, I agree with you that it would be good for the receivers to do more.
But spamming our forum is already annoying.

I have purchased only 3 Vu+ products over a period of some 6 years. I do not buy them all the time, and will not buy another one unless the fta features I need are proven to work in advance. " bad receivers " Are your words, Not Mine.

This forum would be well served to have a place showing what features work and what features do not work for a particular receiver. People buy these high priced Vu+ receivers thinking they have the same fta features as the low priced receivers. Information about what a particular Vu+ receiver can and cannot do with different fta signals is hard to find.

I hate to see good money wasted, and I am sure these new Vu+ receivers work well in the Countries or areas that they were designed for. Having a forum area that shows what each receiver can and cannot do would cause less aggravation for everyone, especially people trying to find fta channels .

 

[Matrix10]

I have purchased only 3 Vu+ products over a period of some 6 years. I do not buy them all the time, and will not buy another one unless the fta features I need are proven to work in advance. " bad receivers " Are your words, Not Mine.

This forum would be well served to have a place showing what features work and what features do not work for a particular receiver. People buy these high priced Vu+ receivers thinking they have the same fta features as the low priced receivers. Information about what a particular Vu+ receiver can and cannot do with different fta signals is hard to find.

I hate to see good money wasted, and I am sure these new Vu+ receivers work well in the Countries or areas that they were designed for. Having a forum area that shows what each receiver can and cannot do would cause less aggravation for everyone, especially people trying to find fta channels .

It is clear that receivers are doing great and have the highest quality for those who do not need specific stream channels
do not deal with Sat Feed Hunting etc
And at least for Europe it is more than 80% of users.
Example:
I can watch with Zero 4K some stream channels.
You know how long I've been watching.
15 minutes, to see it work.
Very poor quality maybe for use in some countries without a decoding card.

Like all other electronic devices, when I buy something
I look at the internet to know what I'm buying.
On the Samsung site
I did not find out if the TV was 50 or 100 Hz
whether IPS or VA display
and much more
I have not seen anywhere in VU + tuner specifications
the word MIS Tuner.
This also applies to satellite receivers.
All those who regularly visit this forum
should know that some things do not work on these receivers.

And for some things we do not even know because we're not dealing with Sat Feed Hunting and scanning.
But repeat one and the same thing that receivers are allegedly not good because they do not support something that does not use 90% of users at least in Europe is funny.

If tomorrow , all worked what you were looking for.
How many users would use it in Europe
regularly ?Just a few percent.

 

[gregom]

This is a great topic I must say … and here is what I really think of all this…

Manufactures in general should be catering to different markets so they achieve more sales and more profits…

The VU can continue to do their business catered to Europe and not think about expansion… That in my opinion is a poor decision. Especially because Dreambox and Octagon already has 4K receivers that are capable to do MultiStream and DVB-S2 16 and 32 APSK.

I would agree with you that MultiStream is probably a bad picture quality all together but this is not the case for DVB-S2 16 and 32APSK.

In that prospective Dreambox and Octagon are much ahead than the VU+.

My suggestion would be for the VU to come up with a new tuner where existing customers can decide to purchase that additional tuner that would make the receiver work on DVB-S2X MultiStream and DVB-S2 16/32 APSK. This for me just makes sense.

Eventually people will decide if they want a limited receiver or a truly versatile receiver not only focused on a small market that cost a lot to begin with.

It is a reality… If you don’t innovate or make changes people will go elsewhere…

My recommendation to the VU-plus manufacture would be to go the extra mile, as other manufactures did, so that VU can keep an edge and justify its brand reputability and devotion to your existing customers.

I myself would not mind to pay extra for a new tuner otherwise I would be forced to look elsewhere…

 

[Tururu]

@Matrix10
I have VU+ and I know what I buy.
I look carefully at what I'm looking for, if it supports it, ok, I usually wait 1 year before buying to solve the problems they may have (betatester, no thanks).
Buy VU+DUO2 for the blind search and have 4 tuner.
The VU+Ultimo4K, in the characteristics indicates that it has blind search.
It does not work, 3 years and it does not work, I keep looking for channels with VU+DUO2.
Look at the VU+Zero4K to replace the VU+DUO2.
In the characteristics it indicates that it has blind search.
I do not care if you mark the signal/SNR and the quality/AGC wrong.
The tuner is good, after 4 years I already need a new equipment to fish channels and the VU+Zero4k if it finds the tp's, but then it does not find the channels as the bandit comments, of 1378 channels in Astra at 19'2ºE, it only finds from 540 to 680, if anyone wants photos, I can put them, last night document the problem (find the tp well, but do not use the high band when looking for the channels that have the tp).
Copying the transponder relationship and then doing a manual search (which works) is not the solution.
I hope they solve the problem of the blind search for the VU+DUO4 and rebound in the other receivers that use these tuners.

This year does not happen, seen the seen, I'll have to buy another brand that meets what is written, use it the rest of buyers or not.

The blind search in the double tuner of the VU+DUO2 only works in the tuner A (tuner double/twin), as it is not written, I do not complain.
If you have more than 4 tuner (physical + USB-TDT) the blind search of the DUO2 does not work, it takes 2 hours (when it works 10 minutes) and it says that it can not find channels, as it is not written, I do not complain.
As indicated by the manufacturer, the minimum SR is 2000, no punch, but the same chip 45208 in specifications can work with smaller SRs, in other receivers it works very well (verified at 100%).

PS: On TV, I look at these data and more, especially the complaints and breakdowns in the network / internet, is the bad thing of reading a lot, the use of a monitor.
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Tengo VU+ y se lo que compro.
Miro detenidamente lo que busco, si lo soporta, ok, suelo esperar 1 año antes de compar para que solucionen los problemas que puedan tener (betatester, no gracias).
Compre VU+DUO2 por la busqueda ciega y tener 4 tuner.
El VU+Ultimo4K, en las caracteristicas indica que tiene busqueda ciega.
No funciona, 3 años y no funciona, continuo buscando canales con VU+DUO2.
Mire el VU+Zero4K para remplazar los VU+DUO2.
En las caracteristicas indica que tiene busqueda ciega.
No me importa que marque mal la señal/SNR y la calidad/AGC.
El tuner es bueno, despues de 4 años ya necesito un nuevo equipo para pescar canales y el VU+Zero4k si encuentra los tp's, pero luego no encuentra los canales como comenta el bandido, de 1378 canales en Astra a 19'2ºE, solo encuentra de 540 a 680, si alguno quiere fotos, las puedo poner, anoche documente el problema (encuentra los tp bien, pero no usa la banda alta al buscar los canales que tienen los tp).
Copiar la relacion de transpondedores y luego hacer una busqueda manual (que funciona) no es la solucion.
Espero que solucionen el problema de la busqueda ciega para el VU+DUO4 y de rebote en los demas receptores que usan estos tuner.

De este año no pasa, visto lo visto, tendre que comprar otra marca que cumpla lo que esta escrito, lo utilice el resto de compradores o no.


La busqueda ciega en los tuner dobles del VU+DUO2 solo funciona en el tuner A (tuner doble/twin), como no esta escrito, no me quejo.
Si tiene mas de 4 tuner (fisicos + USB-TDT) no funciona la busqueda ciega del DUO2, tarda 2 horas (cuando funciona 10 minutos) y dice que no encuentra canales, como no esta escrito, no me quejo.
Como esta indicado por el fabricante, el SR minimo es 2000, no mequejo, pero el mismo chip 45208 en especificaciones puede funcionar con SR menores, en otros receptores funciona muy bien (verifiado al 100%).


PD: En la TV, miro esos datos y mas, sobre todo las quejas y averias en la red/internet, es lo malo de leer mucho, la uso de monitor.
En español para mi.

 

[Matrix10]

In principle, I agree with your wishes and opinions,
but not all.
What we all want is to have more from one receiver.
However, you claim that you did not know what working and what is not working on the receiver.
You knew that, but you have other expectations.
These are two different things.
And now, when something does not meet your expectations
You came here to the forum with your dissatisfaction repeating
in a hundred posts one and the same story.

You could see it and test directly after the purchase blindscan , MIS ...
And return the receiver.
Why did not you bring him back.
Let me tell you why.
Because they are still the best receivers on the market.
They miss the tuner for your needs.
But quality is simply above the rest.
I am saying this as an electronic device engineer (in electronics for many years)
who knows how well is made electronic board, components etc.
receiver and not a receiver that after half a year goes to service.

About MIS.
Nowhere on the specifications of the tuner or the receiver does write that it supports MIS.
However, we have a hundred posts related to this.
That some other receivers have tuners for MIS, but that's how they are advertised.

I believe your voices are coming to VU + and they will on one or the other
way fulfill some of your expectations.

 

[gregom]

I never once said vu are bad receivers... All I really want is to have an optional tunner on this receiver for dvbs2 16/32 apsk and ACM multistream can be the icing on the cake...

Vu receiver itself is great machine... Just the tunner is not up to its capabilities...

Let's keep positive and hope that vu manufacturer will allude to the fact that there is a market for this and people are Welling to spend the money on it...

I honestly believe that vu will not like to be behind octagon and dreamboxes on the tuner limitations...